Thank you very much, Kaunteya prabhu, for this article. While reading it I felt a strong urge to comment.
It seems that you want to encourage us to give more donations to ISKCON temples and projects. I honostly feel that the topic you are adressing here includes many other aspects that have not been mentioned in your aricle. In this coherence I want to thank Prema Padmini prabhu for posting the following principles of an effective temple in the Congregational Preaching journal, April 2002.
She writes: "An effective Temple is:
- "One which does not have congregational preaching among other things but considers congregational preaching the main reason for its existence. It focuses on cultivating and preaching to the congregation and trying to adapt itself to the needs of the community, in order to effectively market Krishna consciousness. Rather than being introverted and distant, it welcomes visitors and treats them as part of the big family of Srila Prabhupada.
- "One which does not function beaurocratically but with the aim to draw the souls to Krishna Consciousness. That is the pimary goal of an effective temple.
- "One which takes the initiative to build up good public relations for ISKCON and does not just wait for things to happen from the top leadership. People judge everything by ones actions. So, if a temple is doing a lot of selfless service to the community, they are automatically loved and respected.
- "One which recognizes that everyone can be empowered in the service of Lord Gauranga. It does not have to only depend on official posts and titles.
- "One which takes the time to train its members both residents as well as congregational devotees in services and preaching and encourages new ideas and initiatives taken by them. Within the parameters of proper behavior outlined by them, the members are allowed to work independently. The temple does not have a controlling attitude but the attitude of engaging people in service to Lord Krishna.
- "One which wants to expand its services more and more and seeks avenues to do so for the spiritual upliftment of society.
- "One which deals amicably with everyone and does not feel threatened if somebody has different ideas. It has different seminars, discussions and meetings and training programs to promote an atmosphere of working together harmoniously and contributing for a common cause of dynamic and effective preaching.
- "One which does not promote elitism and does not think it unnecessary to mingle with the congregational members thinking them to be inferior. It does not tolerate a feeling of us and them, but considers everyone to be devotees in the path of Krishna Consciousness, capable of all the spiritual advancements of a temple devotee and so helps them come up in their Krishna Consciousness.
- "One which promotes values of service mindedness, humility, sincerity, etc. in all the people and keeps away all kinds of politics from entering it.
- "One which has a broad vision of what is good for the temple in the long run and does not just see to its immediate needs. An example is to putting in effort to develop and cultivate the congregation which yields all positive results for the temple, rather than just exploit them for funds for some immediate benefit and burn them out and thus losing them forever."
So far, the principles that are mentioned in CPJ, April 2002 by Prema Padmini prabhu.
I personally think that before pointing out to the congregation that they should be financially more generous and give more donations, any temple should make sure that the above mentioned principles are successfully implemented because a congregation that feels lovingly cared for will naturally reciprocate with that kind of loving care. But a congregation that does not feel cared for or has lost trust and faith in the local leadership will most likely withdraw their financial support from the temple.
I appreciate very much Kalakantha prabhus eight noble truths of fundraising that he teaches in his fundraising seminar, because they show how much fundraising and congregational preaching are connected with each other.
Kaunteya prabhu writes:
"Givers feel rich, free and generous. They know they are making a difference and touch peoples lives."
Maybe this applies to countries or yatras where a caring culture or support systems for devotees are already successfully established. But in countries or yatras like ours where this is not yet done, money alone does not make a difference and touch peoples lives.
Otherwise why are so many devotees still suffering and leaving ISKCON?
I agree with you that everybody should give a proper donation for prasadam. But everything else that goes beyond of this depends so much on how healthy the relation between temple and congregation is. To ask people for donations whom we never cared for or we never showed the slightes interest in their spiritual challenges lasting for many years is like trying to harvest where we did not cultivate the seeds.
Every farmer knows that if the seeds that he has sowed do not get proper ongoing cultivation in form of water, sun, etc., if he does not plough the seeds or cultivate them on a regular basis, he will not get a good or rich harvest. It requires ongoing cultivation to get a rich harvest.
I remember a time when I was financially more generous towords local ISKCON temples. But where have all the local leaders been that I had served and given donations to in the past, when I was in biggest needs and troubles ? None ever phoned me up to ask me how I was doing. And I am by far not the only one who became disappointed in this regard.
Another point that we also have to take into consideration, at least here in Europe, is that even simple life has become very expensive. Many devotees have a low income and their monthly fixed costs just to maintain themselves are often far more than only 50 per cent of their net income.
In many cases if you have 25 percent left after paying all fixed costs, you can be glad. Just to go to the supermarket and buy healthy foodstuffs, rent a simple flat, paying the train tickets and everything has become expensive. Germany is not India! Even if we want to have sadhu sanga, we need to save money for traveling costs.
So far my answer to your question: "Can I afford not to give 50 percent?" We could also ask: "Can we afford not to care for the congregation and not to apply the above mentioned principles of an effective temple?"
We need to see both sides of the coin, not only one side.
Your servant,
Vaisnavi Rani d.d.


both are needed--but who's going to start?
thank you for this valuable comment, mataji. you probably saw that kaunteya prabhu himself dealt with this topic, that ISKCON's temples and the institution as a whole have to adjust their perception of home-based devotees, "the congregation." (Fear of Replacement/Displacement).
you are saying that first the temples have to get their act together, then we can talk about more financial support. that's fair enough, from your perspective. but as you wrote yourself, one needs to see both sides of the coin.
i'm afraid that many managers of temples, centers, and projects find themselves in a situation where they can't begin to concentrate on long term strategic planning and paradigm shifts because they are fully occupied with day-to-day crisis management, trying to raise sufficient funds to keep their projects alive.
these managers might say: "start helping us to pay the bills, then we'll have time to sit together and think about how to engage everyone, including the congregation, to their best ability."
who's going to start?
there seem to be examples of temples that work together, including asram- and home-based devotees, achieving very good results in terms of satisfaction of all members, book distribution, and outreach programs. please look at ISKCON Silicon Valley, San Jose, California:
another example is, of course, HH radhanath maharaja's famous chowpatty temple, where congregation and asram-vasis work together for everyone's benefit. this shows that it's possible, and brings results and satisfaction for all concerned.
back to the question: who should start? i agree it's the temples' responsibility to provide an impetus for those living outside to support them. moreover, we claim that our devotional service is the highest form of philanthropic activity, giving all humanity a chance to re-establish their forgotten relationship with krishna—that won't happen by donating a certain amount, not even 50%, of our income alone.
on the other hand, home-based devotees are not dependent on temples for support, while the temples are very much depending on their congregations. they have to get their act together if they want to survive.
if you find yourself in a situation where the local temple doesn't want to cooperate in a way that takes care of your needs, you can always start your own project. find other devotees, or 'make' them, start regular meetings as some type of home-group, and find ways to spend whatever percentage of your income you can afford in krsna's and srila prabhupada's service...
ys phani.
ISKCON is *not* an "Institution" - it is an Organization
I just finished reading "Living with Paradox: Religious Leadership and the Genius of Double Vision".
The author makes an important point: a church or religious organization like ISKCON is *not* an institution - it is an organization.
An institution is something like the family - something that preexists and is recognized after its existence. It continues to exist whether people want it to or not, whether they contribute to it or not. The institution exists first, and then a mission may or may not come.
An organization, on the other hand, is a group of people who come together to fulfill a mission. The mission comes first, then the organization. The organization arises from the voluntary participation and contribution of the people.
ISKCON is not an institution. It is an organization.
This is an important point. Leaders who describe ISKCON as an institution and treat it as such will find that this conception misleading and ineffective. Understanding it as a voluntary organization is a more realistic and powerful paradigm.
you are right...
...there's a big difference between 'institution' and 'organization,' and that i've used the first term shows a deep-rooted misconception. as you wrote, an institution is something you can't do anything about: you just have to accept it.
this either leads to uncritical acceptance of whatever the entity perceived as institution does, or, the flip side, the desire to fight against it, rejecting everything that comes from or supports it.
the organization ISKCON is made up of all it's members, and is whatever we are able to make it.
ys phani.
"Who's going to start?"
Leadership always starts with, well, the leader.........
"yad yad acarati sresthas" Srila Prabhupada translates this as "whatever a respectable leader does, that and that alone.....common people follow."
You mention HH Radhanath Swami's example in Mumbai, but it appears to me you may mis-understand the fundamentals behind their success.
He personally told me several years ago that he doesn't ask devotees for money. "If you do, they may give you some 'cheap money'. Instead, try to make them Krsna conscious. When they become Krsna conscious, they automatically WANT to give everything".
He also preaches that the quality of the householder devotees is a reflection of the quality of the brahmacarya devotees (paraphrased). If the householders see the brahmacarya devotees are living a pure, simple life and actually relishing it, they will automatically become attracted, and want to help serve those devotees. But if they see those same brahmacarya devotees living a life similar to a bachelor, without much renunciation, then where is the inspiration to give?
Those living in the ashram must preach compassionately to the householders, and never see/think/believe the householder devotees are in any way inferior to the brahmacarya devotees.
It is this point that has made the 2 ashramas able to work together so effectively. It did not "automatically" happen.
In the example of the Radha Gopinatha devotees given by you, the householder devotees see the brahmacarya devotees' lives as being so much more simple, and desirable, even if they consider it un-attainable to them. At the same time, the brahmacarya devotees try to understand the situation of the householder- SO much responsibility to family, children, parents, job, society- PLUS they need to find/make the time to chant 16 rounds, attend some temple functions, do some relevant service- a very difficult life.
Added to that is the financial struggle most of us find ourselves in today.
We need to be happy that people are still struggling, trying to be Krsna conscious, in spite of so much trouble.
So first there must be the compassionate leadership coming from the temple management. This can take many forms, but whatever the circumstances dictate, compassion must be apparent.
If a temple authority sees that someone isn't able/willing to financially contribute, it is important to (carefully and diplomatically) find if there is some difficulty and they're not able, or if they're not convinced sufficiently to give.
When people feel cared for, when they feel they have received something of value, then automatically they want to reciprocate.
I hope this brings some clarity to the subject.
ys,
Gaura Sakti das
Two Points that may be Useful to Emphasize
Thank you for your contribution, Vaisnavi Rani Prabhu.
Yes, I can only agree with you that established temples and centers should do their best to offer effective pastoral care to the home-based members of their communities.
At the same time the focus of the article on tithing was different. Anyway, I would like to make two points in relation to what you say.
1. How much to give?
I explained in the article that my understanding of the "50 percent principle" is giving 50 percent of what is left after essential expenses. Therefore someone may be able to give 5,000 euros every month, someone 500, someone 50 and someone may be only 10. The the principle applies independently of one's financial prosperity (or lack of it). It's of course up to you to decide what is essential expenditure. (Therefore many people in the world opt for the mathematically simpler method to give a fixed percentage "in the beginning" as soon as they receive the monthly payment--many settle for 10 percent of the total).
Since the norm is proportional, whoever wants to apply it can apply it.
2. Give to whoever you like
If you don't feel inspired (for whatever reason) not to give to your nearest official ISKCON center, you can donate to any other individual or entity you think will properly use your gifts. The point is that even if we do have grudges towards the closest temple the obligation to give charity remains; give it to the Korean BBT, give it to a farm in Guatemala, give it to a Gurukula in South Africa, give it to a devotee who is taking care of the departing Vaisnavas in Vrindavana, give it to the temple in Timbuktu, but give it.
Kaunteya Das
Thank you very much
Thank you very much everybody who is sharing here.
Phanisvara prabhu, of course I know about Kaunteya prabhus valuable efforts and achievements in congregational preaching and development and always appreciated and supported that. However having in mind our local situation here I was missing very much in this particular article the opinion of congregational members who may not be willing any more to give donations due to negative experiences. As to your question: Who is starting first - the temple management or congregational members ? I think it is up to everybody of us to accept more responsibility for ones own life and to have a clear vision of how we want to leave our body one time. Having a cancer experience behind me, certainly I do not want to be surrounded by devotees at the end of my life who are not trained in devotee care and know that it is up to me to act accordingly. I am not waiting for the leadership to make things happening in my life.
Kaunteya prabhu, it is not about having grudges towards any temple. But it is about having trust and faith that they will really be there for me at the end of my life when I may be leaving my body as a full invalide and cannot help myself any longer. Will they have "TIME" to care for me or will they send me back to the family of my parents who are pure materialists ? This is the dicisive question for me.
Knowing what kind of disaster may come to me at the end of my life, I want to use any money that Krsna gives to me as a preparation for my death. This means that I invest it into helping creating support systems for devotees in our local yatra since most likely local devotees will be with me at the time of my death, not foreign ones.
So, it is up to everybody of us to accept full responsibility for ones own life and not to wait for the leadership to get things done properly.
Your servant, Vaisnavi Rani d.d.
Temples need to be indipendent:
Not long back I read one article by HH Charu Prabhu from Utah and his joted points on to make a temple sucsesfull. I will see if I can find it then i will post article here next time.
He gave some very simple and sucsesfull techniques to make temple a sucess.
Any ways from my side I can only say that temples can be indipendent by selling books, Govindas restaurant, shop sales, aucktions and so on. Fund raising is not a job but its an art which many people knows very well within our Iskcon. I hope sucsesfull temple presidents can travel or other temple people can visit these good running temples to learn the art.
hare krishna
Link for my last post
Yes link is here: http://www.utahkrishnas.com/main/page.asp?id=1882
hello
its realy good thank you....